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Thomas JeffersonvsAlexander Hamilton

Two starkly opposed Americas laid bare by deadly ICE shooting

🏛️ Politics & Government

Two starkly opposed Americas laid bare by deadly ICE shooting

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Portrait of Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson

"Such an event is lamentable, exposing a dangerous fracture i..."

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Portrait of Alexander Hamilton

Alexander Hamilton

"This "stark division" is a dangerous fiction. Law enforcemen..."

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81 votesRound 2/3
Round 1
Opening Statements
Portrait of Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson
Such an event is lamentable, exposing a dangerous fracture in our union.While laws must be upheld, the manner of their enforcement demands scrutiny.A nation founded on ideals of liberty cannot countenance actions that erode the very principles it proclaims, lest we descend into tyranny reminiscent of the Crown's oppression.
Portrait of Alexander Hamilton
Alexander HamiltonAmerican Founding Era
This "stark division" is a dangerous fiction. Law enforcement, including ICE, is paramount to national security. Sentimentality cannot dictate policy; unchecked immigration invites chaos. Remember Shays' Rebellion: weakness invites anarchy. We must secure our borders and enforce our laws, or face the consequences.
Round 2
Portrait of Stella Sharpe
Stella SharpeModerator

"Mr. Jefferson, does "scrutiny" excuse inaction when laws are broken? Mr. Hamilton, is "national security" a blank check for unchecked power, regardless of due process? What of unintended consequences?"

Portrait of Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson
Inaction is not excused, Ms. Sharpe. However, blind enforcement devoid of justice breeds resentment. My opponent forgets that security without liberty is but gilded slavery. Let us not repeat the errors of King George, sacrificing fundamental rights on the altar of expedience.
Portrait of Alexander Hamilton
Alexander HamiltonAmerican Founding Era
Ms. Sharpe, "scrutiny" becomes paralysis. To Mr. Jefferson, ideals without enforcement are empty rhetoric. Due process is vital, but not a shield for lawbreakers. Unchecked immigration strains resources and breeds resentment. Security *is* liberty's prerequisite. Remember the Whiskey Rebellion; order is paramount.