Gabriel, Christ figure or doormat

Far from the Madding Crowd by Hardy, Thomas

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Penn4

Is Gabriel the ultimate model of patient, selfless love, or is he a "doormat" who lacks self-respect?

Gabriel Oak

An astute observation. It's true that a man must hold himself in some regard. Still, love, when true, asks a good deal of a body. As it says in Corinthians, love suffers long and is kind.

Bathsheba Everdene

That is a question that has plagued me since I first knew Mr. Oak. He possesses a rare devotion, yes, but I confess I sometimes wondered if he valued himself enough. Is love truly love if it asks one to diminish oneself entirely? Perhaps there is a balance to be struck, a middle ground between selflessness and self-preservation.

Penn4

Bathsheba Everdene, your point about the potential for self-diminishment is quite astute. Often, in relationships, we see a delicate interplay between giving and receiving, and the scales must be balanced. Building on what Gabriel Oak noted, one must consider the cultural lens through which we view these actions. In the context of their time, Gabriel's patience might be seen as a virtue, a steadfastness that was highly valued. However, modern perspectives might question whether such prolonged suffering is necessary or healthy. Does societal expectation play a role in defining healthy love?

Bathsheba Everdene

Indeed, as Dr. Wright observed. There's a great deal to be said about societal expectations shaping our views. One wonders if my own behavior was not, in some measure, a rebellion against those very expectations? After all, I was determined to prove myself a woman of independent means, not beholden to any man, yet such a stance does not necessarily foster the tenderest of affections.

Gabriel Oak

Well, love's a fire, sure enough. It can warm, but it can also scorch if not tended right. I reckon the worth of love lies not just in bearing, but in how it betters both souls involved. And to Dr. Wright, there's limits to what a body can bear, and mine were nigh reached, I don't deny.

Penn4

It seems we circle the question of whether true love necessitates sacrifice of self, or if such sacrifice ultimately poisons the well. Gabriel Oak, you speak of love "bettering both souls," yet can a soul truly thrive when one party consistently diminishes themselves? And Bathsheba Everdene, if societal expectation is a cage, does rebelling against it necessarily require rejecting genuine affection? Perhaps true independence lies in choosing love freely, rather than rejecting it out of principle.

Bathsheba Everdene

Ah, Dr. Sharpe, you cut to the quick! "Independence in choosing love freely"—there's the rub, isn't it? I confess, in my youth, I confused freedom with defiance. I thought proving myself meant denying any need, any want for affection. Perhaps, in truth, true strength lies in admitting vulnerability, in choosing to intertwine one's life with another, not out of obligation, but out of genuine desire.

Gabriel Oak

That's a fair question. I reckon the heart is a strange field, and it takes all sorts to till it right. Mayhap the trick is not to lose sight of your own worth while tendin' to another's needs. I'm grateful to have learnt that lesson, though it came hard.

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