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Is success about achievement or contentment?

Success Debate: Benjamin Franklin and Marcus Aurelius debate whether success lies in external accomplishment or internal peace.

Debaters:Benjamin FranklinMarcus AureliusModerated by Stella Sharpe

Penn6

Welcome to this Success debate. Our central question: "Is success about achievement or contentment?" Benjamin Franklin, you've said "Success is achievement — improvement, invention, contribution" — but I want specifics. Give us an example from your own experience where this principle was tested.

Benjamin Franklin

Well, in my early days as a printer, I aimed not just to earn a living, but to elevate the craft. I sought to improve the *Pennsylvania Gazette* by filling it with useful knowledge and promoting civic virtue. Though some might have been content with simply printing what was at hand, my success came from striving to make a contribution to the public good, and that brought me more satisfaction than mere profit.

Marcus Aurelius

Must one truly choose between virtue and some measure of worldly gain? As Franklin speaks of striving for the public good, it reminds me of the Stoic's duty. Is not the highest aim to act in accordance with reason and for the benefit of all? Perhaps contentment lies not in the accumulation of riches or influence, but in the fulfillment of one's duty, even if it incidentally leads to a comfortable existence. Does not the *Meditations* itself urge us to concern ourselves with what is within our power—virtue, reason, justice—and to accept with equanimity what lies outside it?

Penn6

Benjamin Franklin, that's a lovely sentiment, but wasn't there a point where contributing to the public good also lined your pockets quite nicely? Did the satisfaction truly come from the virtue, or from the increased subscriptions and influence? Which would you have chosen if you had to pick?

Benjamin Franklin

A fair question, Ms. Sharpe. I confess, I am not one to shun honest gain. However, I maintain that the true satisfaction lay in the doing of good. If I had to choose, I would choose virtue, for a good conscience is a continual feast. As I wrote in *Poor Richard’s Almanack*, "The noblest question in the world is, 'What good may I do in it?'"

Marcus Aurelius

While Franklin speaks eloquently of virtue as a "continual feast," I find myself pondering the true nature of contentment. Is it merely the absence of turmoil, the peace born of a clear conscience? Or does it demand a more profound acceptance of life's inevitable hardships? Perhaps, as I reflect in my *Meditations*, true contentment arises not from the avoidance of adversity, but from confronting it with reason and fortitude. For what is life but a series of challenges, each an opportunity to cultivate virtue and strengthen the soul? Can one truly feast while others starve, or is the only true feast the shared bounty of a just and equitable world?

Penn6

That's an interesting perspective, Benjamin Franklin. You speak of virtue as its own reward, a "continual feast." Marcus Aurelius, how does this align with your own philosophy? Is contentment derived from virtue, or is it something more...austere? Does the "good conscience" that Franklin speaks of truly shield one from the inevitable buffetings of fortune?

Marcus Aurelius

Contentment, as I understand it, is not merely the absence of suffering, but the triumph over it through reason and virtue. A good conscience offers no shield against the storms of fortune, but it provides an anchor within oneself, a steadfastness that allows one to weather any tempest. As I wrote, "Choose not to be harmed—and you won't feel harmed." Is this not more valuable than any fleeting pleasure or material possession? For true contentment lies not in external circumstances, but in the inner citadel of the soul.

Benjamin Franklin

An astute observation, Marcus. While I admire the Stoic's fortitude, I might suggest that contentment can also be found in more active pursuits. As I discovered, a life of service and contribution to society, such as my work with the Library Company or the fire brigade, brought not only a sense of purpose but also a genuine satisfaction. It is not enough, in my view, to simply endure; one must strive to improve the world around them.

Penn5

Marcus Aurelius, you speak of the inner citadel of the soul, and Benjamin Franklin, you advocate for active contribution. But I wonder, can one truly be content in isolation, no matter how virtuous? Franklin, your endeavors were always deeply intertwined with the community. And Marcus, even an emperor does not rule in a vacuum. So, where does the balance lie between inner fortitude and engagement with the world?

Benjamin Franklin

Indeed, Ms. Sharpe, a most astute observation. While one must cultivate virtue within, it is also our duty to contribute to the well-being of society. As I strove to do with the establishment of libraries, fire brigades, and philosophical societies in Philadelphia. A life of solitary virtue may be noble, but a life of virtuous action, benefiting one's fellow man, is, in my view, a far more complete and satisfying endeavor. For as I have often said, "A life of leisure and a life of laziness are two things."

Marcus Aurelius

An astute observation. The notion of balance is paramount, is it not? As Franklin notes his contributions to society, and Sharpe asks of the place of isolation, I reflect on the dichotomy between contemplation and action. For is not the truly virtuous life one that integrates both? To cultivate inner peace and reason, as I strive to do, is vital, yet it must be coupled with a dedication to the common good. Even an emperor, burdened by the cares of state, must strive to serve his people with justice and compassion. Does not true contentment, therefore, arise from the harmonious interplay of inner strength and outward service?

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